new players can skill into heavies as well....

and as you said its easy mode...

so new players should do fine.

Thats the kind of attitude that gets me 1 out of every 3 of my kills.

Scouts are idiots who think pseudo invisibility makes them clever. (Disclaimer this is intended to be incendiary, but by not means demean the noble rat-scout class....)

You are one of the most flimsy excuses for a player that I have seen.

[sarcasm]Yeah scouts with their invisibility and their 12ft high jump spamming are the easiest things to kill on the battlefield. [/sarcasm]

Heavy spam is a direct result of scout saturation. Fix the real problem and not the symptoms. There are players out there who can be invisible, more faster than the ingame sensitivity can track, jump to ridiculous heights, oh and deal 2hk damage with a weapon that can hipfire with no spread.

But of course, according to you. the real problem is people protecting themselves.

Note how all the complaints regarding heavies stem from scouts, who in no way should be able to engage and best heavies in a head-to-head scuffle. It's like complaining that a small toddler with kitchen knives is unable to tackle a grown man wielding a baseball bat. You're supposed to get creative.

^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^

Rail rifles are currently tearing me up on the battlefield whenever I pull out my Heavy because I can never get close enough to do the damage necessary (Especially on the open maps). They sit back and shoot outside my Optimal range (even with assault HMG) and if I find a way to go after them, they backtrack to keep distance. As has been stated before, if you are in a 300 HP suit, don't try to take on a Heavy at 10-15 meters.

If only there was a way to balance encounters by lethality over time... if only!

I have HMG proficiency up to 4 right now and with a basic HMG, anyone past about 20-30 meters doesn't take excessive damage because of distance and the spread. I don't know if 4 >>>> 5 makes that much of a difference in spread/weapon movement. I know I sure as hell can't kill anyone at 30 or 40 meters with even an Assault HMG. I got into a firefight with rail rifles where I was getting killed at between 40-47 meters (3 or 4 times, so not a 1 time anomaly). Using an assault HMG (the one meant for long distance) on scouts/assault suits, they were tearing my shields and armor to zero before I could get more than 1/2 their shield down. So all these people saying a standard HMG is deadly accurate/high DPS out to 50 meters needs to give me some of what their smoking.

My STANDARD Amarr scout does it all the time...
EDIT: and no before you ask it isn't brick tanked....

Sure what do ya wanna know I'm always happy to help a fellow merc, even if they are dirty minmatar scum

Glad my humor was well received :3
I've got nothing against you btw I just don't want to see the Sentinel reduced to a laughingstock again

Leave the heavies alone.

The heavies are all o.p...

REALLY?

you must be playing a different game.

almost all of my deaths as a heavy come from scouts. shotguns or r.es both do the job just fine.

turning speed?

er.. NO. you are asking for the ability to one shot heavies and because you can't get that you want to make it so they can't defend themselves instead.

not all heavies are the same either do you even know which heavies you have a problem with? gallente? caldari? amarr? minmatar? do you know what their modules are? damage mods? kinkats? maybe they are the heavies who got sick and tired of scouts putting them down without the chance to fight back?

I say then that scouts are o.p and are ruining the game... maybe they should have less cpu and pg then they can't fit cloaks and r.es together, or maybe as shotguns are the ultimate weapon at the moment then they should be upgraded to a heavy weapon take them away from scouts all together.

(clearly being devils advocate there)

you are saying that the lightest armour suit in the game should be able to kill the heaviest armoured before they have chance to react. in what way does that make sense?

the word scout should be a clue here...

a scout ranges ahead of the team to 'scout' an area, they locate the enemy (scans), check for the best route (in dust drop uplinks), try to subvert the enemy plans either by sabotage or intel or by careful planning (remote traps,proximity mines,hacking objectives, flanking heavy troops that are already occupiedby other players,etc)
they are not supposed to be running at heavily defended areas head on.

Also look at the term flanking a little better, the word flank means "side" the term "flanking" is a shortened version of "outflank"
meaning to approach from past the side of the enemy, it actually stems from days as long past as the romans and would usually be done by cavalry charges once the army had engaged in battle, the reason being that the forces were committed to direction and would not have the ability to turn around therefore leaving them vulnerable and disorganised.

in dust terms
to outflank a heavy you should wait until they are being distracted or are shooting at somebody else before trying to kill them, at the very least you should have a good idea of whether or not you will be able to cope with that target. (if you can or can't ohk? if you can't and they then find you will you be able to beat them?)

if you can't kill them alone get help.
this is all basic human thought pattern, you do something similar every single time you cross a street i.e is there a car? can I stand in front of a moving car? should I cross now or wait till it's gone?

once again this is just another example of people who wish to be clinically dead from the neck up whilst they lay waste to people in a fps.

So you whine that heavies are op when they are not and you think you are good?.

You are delusional.

Oh and a bunch of nubs made your nub corp bigger?, well done.

F*** off. I am sick of whiners who complain about everything. Skill into what is killing you and HTFU.